yes, my crazy idea is have a full simulator for Mizar32,
using as PIO a parallel port, the network, the UART, avoiding the needs to move the SD-Card from the PC to the board during development. It should be a good idea also for downloadable demo and examples. Ciao, nuccio Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 13.41 -0300, Dado Sutter ha scritto: > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:17, Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]> > wrote: > good news, > I will try to add the network support... > > Cool. > > Last year, Thiago Naves and Marcelo Politzer were also experimenting > with Proteus (http://www.labcenter.com/products/vsm_overview.cfm), > trying to find a suitable target to embedd eLua. > It would be great to have an eLua simulator on this kind of > environment, as it already has interesting views and debug tools for > the peripherals and even for simulated externally hardware connected > to the MCU. > As it has happened to eLua on the real world, I hope it is just a > matter of time that new and larger (RAM & ROM) MCUs appear on the > Proteus supported set. > > > ciao, > nuccio > > Best > > > > > > > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 16.12 +0200, Bogdan Marinescu > ha > > scritto: > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Nuccio > > Raciti <[hidden email]> wrote: > > really? > > > > > > Yes ;) > > > > I thought we should restart the PC for every run. > > the "sim" target is different of "i386" one? > > > > > > Yes. You get an executable that you can run > using ./run_elua_sim.sh > > (Linux only) > > > > > > Best, > > Bogdan > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 15.51 +0200, Bogdan > Marinescu > > ha scritto: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Nuccio Raciti > > > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > what about an eLua simulator: > > > > > > 1- with the network support (using a > TUN/TAP device > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUN/TAP). > > > 2- running as a user space linux > application. > > > 3- using the linux FS as /mmc /rom file > systems. > > > > > > > > > There is already a target ('sim') that does 2 and > 3 above. > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > Bogdan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > eLua-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev > > _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
Hi,
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 14:02, Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]> wrote: yes, my crazy idea is have a full simulator for Mizar32, Although we all know you well by now, I don't see anything crazy on this idea :) avoiding the needs to move the SD-Card It is still a bit hard to install and actually use (we're working on this) but eLua already has a solution for this, the Remote File System http://www.eluaproject.net/en_arch_rfs.html It should be a good idea also for downloadable demo and examples. Yep. Ciao, Best Dado
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yes I know, but I fear it is slow,
in special case for web server purposes. Thanks, nuccio Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 14.12 -0300, Dado Sutter ha scritto: > Hi, > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 14:02, Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]> > wrote: > yes, my crazy idea is have a full simulator for Mizar32, > using as PIO a parallel port, the network, the UART, > > Although we all know you well by now, I don't see anything crazy on > this idea :) > > > avoiding the needs to move the SD-Card > from the PC to the board during development. > > It is still a bit hard to install and actually use (we're working on > this) but eLua already has a solution for this, the Remote File System > http://www.eluaproject.net/en_arch_rfs.html > > > It should be a good idea also for downloadable demo and > examples. > > Yep. > > > Ciao, > nuccio > > Best > Dado > > > > > > > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 13.41 -0300, Dado Sutter ha > scritto: > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:17, Nuccio Raciti > <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > good news, > > I will try to add the network support... > > > > Cool. > > > > Last year, Thiago Naves and Marcelo Politzer were also > experimenting > > with Proteus > (http://www.labcenter.com/products/vsm_overview.cfm), > > trying to find a suitable target to embedd eLua. > > It would be great to have an eLua simulator on this kind of > > environment, as it already has interesting views and debug > tools for > > the peripherals and even for simulated externally hardware > connected > > to the MCU. > > As it has happened to eLua on the real world, I hope it is > just a > > matter of time that new and larger (RAM & ROM) MCUs appear > on the > > Proteus supported set. > > > > > > ciao, > > nuccio > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 16.12 +0200, Bogdan > Marinescu > > ha > > > > scritto: > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Nuccio > > > Raciti <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > really? > > > > > > > > > Yes ;) > > > > > > I thought we should restart the PC for > every run. > > > the "sim" target is different of "i386" > one? > > > > > > > > > Yes. You get an executable that you can run > > using ./run_elua_sim.sh > > > (Linux only) > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > Bogdan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 15.51 > +0200, Bogdan > > Marinescu > > > ha scritto: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Nuccio > Raciti > > > > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > what about an eLua simulator: > > > > > > > > 1- with the network support > (using a > > TUN/TAP device > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUN/TAP). > > > > 2- running as a user space linux > > application. > > > > 3- using the linux FS > as /mmc /rom file > > systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is already a target ('sim') that > does 2 and > > 3 above. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Bogdan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > eLua-dev mailing list > > [hidden email] > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
What about qemu? they also have some ARMs support.
2011/3/17 Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]>: > yes I know, but I fear it is slow, > in special case for web server purposes. > Thanks, > nuccio > > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 14.12 -0300, Dado Sutter ha scritto: >> Hi, >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 14:02, Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> yes, my crazy idea is have a full simulator for Mizar32, >> using as PIO a parallel port, the network, the UART, >> >> Although we all know you well by now, I don't see anything crazy on >> this idea :) >> >> >> avoiding the needs to move the SD-Card >> from the PC to the board during development. >> >> It is still a bit hard to install and actually use (we're working on >> this) but eLua already has a solution for this, the Remote File System >> http://www.eluaproject.net/en_arch_rfs.html >> >> >> It should be a good idea also for downloadable demo and >> examples. >> >> Yep. >> >> >> Ciao, >> nuccio >> >> Best >> Dado >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 13.41 -0300, Dado Sutter ha >> scritto: >> >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:17, Nuccio Raciti >> <[hidden email]> >> > wrote: >> > good news, >> > I will try to add the network support... >> > >> > Cool. >> > >> > Last year, Thiago Naves and Marcelo Politzer were also >> experimenting >> > with Proteus >> (http://www.labcenter.com/products/vsm_overview.cfm), >> > trying to find a suitable target to embedd eLua. >> > It would be great to have an eLua simulator on this kind of >> > environment, as it already has interesting views and debug >> tools for >> > the peripherals and even for simulated externally hardware >> connected >> > to the MCU. >> > As it has happened to eLua on the real world, I hope it is >> just a >> > matter of time that new and larger (RAM & ROM) MCUs appear >> on the >> > Proteus supported set. >> > >> > >> > ciao, >> > nuccio >> > >> > Best >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 16.12 +0200, Bogdan >> Marinescu >> > ha >> > >> > scritto: >> > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Nuccio >> > > Raciti <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > > really? >> > > >> > > >> > > Yes ;) >> > > >> > > I thought we should restart the PC for >> every run. >> > > the "sim" target is different of "i386" >> one? >> > > >> > > >> > > Yes. You get an executable that you can run >> > using ./run_elua_sim.sh >> > > (Linux only) >> > > >> > > >> > > Best, >> > > Bogdan >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 15.51 >> +0200, Bogdan >> > Marinescu >> > > ha scritto: >> > > >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Nuccio >> Raciti >> > > > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > > > Hi, >> > > > what about an eLua simulator: >> > > > >> > > > 1- with the network support >> (using a >> > TUN/TAP device >> > > > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUN/TAP). >> > > > 2- running as a user space linux >> > application. >> > > > 3- using the linux FS >> as /mmc /rom file >> > systems. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > There is already a target ('sim') that >> does 2 and >> > 3 above. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Best, >> > > > Bogdan >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > eLua-dev mailing list >> > [hidden email] >> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > eLua-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev > -- []s, Marcelo _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 16:41, Marcelo Politzer <[hidden email]> wrote: What about qemu? You tell us :) they also have some ARMs support. Cool. Do they have an "eLua-capable virtual device" already ? Best Dado
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2011/3/17 Dado Sutter <[hidden email]>: > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 16:41, Marcelo Politzer <[hidden email]> > wrote: >> >> What about qemu? > > You tell us :) > >> >> they also have some ARMs support. > > Cool. Do they have an "eLua-capable virtual device" already ? > > Best > Dado > > > > > >> >> 2011/3/17 Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]>: >> > yes I know, but I fear it is slow, >> > in special case for web server purposes. >> > Thanks, >> > nuccio >> > >> > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 14.12 -0300, Dado Sutter ha scritto: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 14:02, Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]> >> >> wrote: >> >> yes, my crazy idea is have a full simulator for Mizar32, >> >> using as PIO a parallel port, the network, the UART, >> >> >> >> Although we all know you well by now, I don't see anything crazy on >> >> this idea :) >> >> >> >> >> >> avoiding the needs to move the SD-Card >> >> from the PC to the board during development. >> >> >> >> It is still a bit hard to install and actually use (we're working on >> >> this) but eLua already has a solution for this, the Remote File System >> >> http://www.eluaproject.net/en_arch_rfs.html >> >> >> >> >> >> It should be a good idea also for downloadable demo and >> >> examples. >> >> >> >> Yep. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ciao, >> >> nuccio >> >> >> >> Best >> >> Dado >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 13.41 -0300, Dado Sutter ha >> >> scritto: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:17, Nuccio Raciti >> >> <[hidden email]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > good news, >> >> > I will try to add the network support... >> >> > >> >> > Cool. >> >> > >> >> > Last year, Thiago Naves and Marcelo Politzer were also >> >> experimenting >> >> > with Proteus >> >> (http://www.labcenter.com/products/vsm_overview.cfm), >> >> > trying to find a suitable target to embedd eLua. >> >> > It would be great to have an eLua simulator on this kind of >> >> > environment, as it already has interesting views and debug >> >> tools for >> >> > the peripherals and even for simulated externally hardware >> >> connected >> >> > to the MCU. >> >> > As it has happened to eLua on the real world, I hope it is >> >> just a >> >> > matter of time that new and larger (RAM & ROM) MCUs appear >> >> on the >> >> > Proteus supported set. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ciao, >> >> > nuccio >> >> > >> >> > Best >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 16.12 +0200, Bogdan >> >> Marinescu >> >> > ha >> >> > >> >> > scritto: >> >> > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Nuccio >> >> > > Raciti <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > > really? >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Yes ;) >> >> > > >> >> > > I thought we should restart the PC for >> >> every run. >> >> > > the "sim" target is different of "i386" >> >> one? >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Yes. You get an executable that you can run >> >> > using ./run_elua_sim.sh >> >> > > (Linux only) >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Best, >> >> > > Bogdan >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 15.51 >> >> +0200, Bogdan >> >> > Marinescu >> >> > > ha scritto: >> >> > > >> >> > > > Hi, >> >> > > > >> >> > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Nuccio >> >> Raciti >> >> > > > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > > > Hi, >> >> > > > what about an eLua simulator: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > 1- with the network support >> >> (using a >> >> > TUN/TAP device >> >> > > > >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUN/TAP). >> >> > > > 2- running as a user space linux >> >> > application. >> >> > > > 3- using the linux FS >> >> as /mmc /rom file >> >> > systems. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > There is already a target ('sim') that >> >> does 2 and >> >> > 3 above. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Best, >> >> > > > Bogdan >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > eLua-dev mailing list >> >> > [hidden email] >> >> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > eLua-dev mailing list >> > [hidden email] >> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> []s, >> Marcelo >> _______________________________________________ >> eLua-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev > > -- []s, Marcelo _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
Yes, I tried to do it a while ago, but never got it to work. But maybe
one of the enlightened people around here might succeed. :) 2011/3/17 Marcelo Politzer <[hidden email]>: > [hidden email] > Sorry about this. Brain damage kicking on :O > 2011/3/17 Dado Sutter <[hidden email]>: >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 16:41, Marcelo Politzer <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >>> >>> What about qemu? >> >> You tell us :) >> >>> >>> they also have some ARMs support. >> >> Cool. Do they have an "eLua-capable virtual device" already ? >> >> Best >> Dado >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> 2011/3/17 Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]>: >>> > yes I know, but I fear it is slow, >>> > in special case for web server purposes. >>> > Thanks, >>> > nuccio >>> > >>> > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 14.12 -0300, Dado Sutter ha scritto: >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 14:02, Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> yes, my crazy idea is have a full simulator for Mizar32, >>> >> using as PIO a parallel port, the network, the UART, >>> >> >>> >> Although we all know you well by now, I don't see anything crazy on >>> >> this idea :) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> avoiding the needs to move the SD-Card >>> >> from the PC to the board during development. >>> >> >>> >> It is still a bit hard to install and actually use (we're working on >>> >> this) but eLua already has a solution for this, the Remote File System >>> >> http://www.eluaproject.net/en_arch_rfs.html >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> It should be a good idea also for downloadable demo and >>> >> examples. >>> >> >>> >> Yep. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Ciao, >>> >> nuccio >>> >> >>> >> Best >>> >> Dado >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 13.41 -0300, Dado Sutter ha >>> >> scritto: >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:17, Nuccio Raciti >>> >> <[hidden email]> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> > good news, >>> >> > I will try to add the network support... >>> >> > >>> >> > Cool. >>> >> > >>> >> > Last year, Thiago Naves and Marcelo Politzer were also >>> >> experimenting >>> >> > with Proteus >>> >> (http://www.labcenter.com/products/vsm_overview.cfm), >>> >> > trying to find a suitable target to embedd eLua. >>> >> > It would be great to have an eLua simulator on this kind of >>> >> > environment, as it already has interesting views and debug >>> >> tools for >>> >> > the peripherals and even for simulated externally hardware >>> >> connected >>> >> > to the MCU. >>> >> > As it has happened to eLua on the real world, I hope it is >>> >> just a >>> >> > matter of time that new and larger (RAM & ROM) MCUs appear >>> >> on the >>> >> > Proteus supported set. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ciao, >>> >> > nuccio >>> >> > >>> >> > Best >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 16.12 +0200, Bogdan >>> >> Marinescu >>> >> > ha >>> >> > >>> >> > scritto: >>> >> > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Nuccio >>> >> > > Raciti <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >> > > really? >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Yes ;) >>> >> > > >>> >> > > I thought we should restart the PC for >>> >> every run. >>> >> > > the "sim" target is different of "i386" >>> >> one? >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Yes. You get an executable that you can run >>> >> > using ./run_elua_sim.sh >>> >> > > (Linux only) >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Best, >>> >> > > Bogdan >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 15.51 >>> >> +0200, Bogdan >>> >> > Marinescu >>> >> > > ha scritto: >>> >> > > >>> >> > > > Hi, >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Nuccio >>> >> Raciti >>> >> > > > <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >> > > > Hi, >>> >> > > > what about an eLua simulator: >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > 1- with the network support >>> >> (using a >>> >> > TUN/TAP device >>> >> > > > >>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUN/TAP). >>> >> > > > 2- running as a user space linux >>> >> > application. >>> >> > > > 3- using the linux FS >>> >> as /mmc /rom file >>> >> > systems. >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > There is already a target ('sim') that >>> >> does 2 and >>> >> > 3 above. >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > Best, >>> >> > > > Bogdan >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > eLua-dev mailing list >>> >> > [hidden email] >>> >> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > eLua-dev mailing list >>> > [hidden email] >>> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> []s, >>> Marcelo >>> _______________________________________________ >>> eLua-dev mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev >> >> > > > > -- > []s, > Marcelo > -- []s, Marcelo _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Nuccio Raciti <[hidden email]> wrote: yes, my crazy idea is have a full simulator for Mizar32, That could be interesting. Currently 'sim' is limited (in my view at least) to testing and debugging platform-independent components such as the LTR or the RFS (something which would be a nightmare to test on a MCU). A full-fledged eLua running under Linux seems appealing, but I'd be careful with that. It might give one a sense of speed that is not achievable on the actual target which in turn could lead to some interesting problems :)
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Yes there are several advantages to have a full simulator,
but from my point of view there are two major benefits: 1- people without real hardware can try eLua using just a Linux executable and a .lua/.lc file. 2- it would be very useful in the development of the web pages for the "eLuaWebServer" Best, Nuccio Il giorno gio, 17/03/2011 alle 23.06 +0200, Bogdan Marinescu ha scritto: > That could be interesting. Currently 'sim' is limited (in my view at > least) to testing and debugging platform-independent components such > as the LTR or the RFS (something which would be a nightmare to test on > a MCU). A full-fledged eLua running under Linux seems appealing, but > I'd be careful with that. It might give one a sense of speed that is > not achievable on the actual target which in turn could lead to some > interesting problems _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
> 1- people without real hardware can try eLua using just a Linux
> executable and a .lua/.lc file. Excellent idea. Emulate it at a higher level. Perfect. M _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
One other concept that might make it nice to deal with on varied
platforms would be to use a portable runtime like Google's Native Client, which if I recall correctly actually uses, of all things, newlib :-) http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/ I believe they may be getting close to shipping this turned on by default in Chrome which would make the environment available on Windows, Mac & Linux or anywhere else that Chrome or NaCl runs? Just a thought. -jsnyder On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Martin Guy <[hidden email]> wrote: >> 1- people without real hardware can try eLua using just a Linux >> executable and a .lua/.lc file. > > Excellent idea. Emulate it at a higher level. Perfect. > > M > _______________________________________________ > eLua-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev > -- James Snyder Biomedical Engineering Northwestern University [hidden email] PGP: http://fanplastic.org/key.txt Phone: (847) 448-0386 _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
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