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Our wiki seems to be down, do we now what's the reason for that? Thanks, Bogdan _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
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On 5 March 2013 12:48, Bogdan Marinescu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Our wiki seems to be down, do we now what's the reason for that? Let me guess: the server caught fire and they don't have any backups, the same as happened to the bug tracker? Next question: who makes weekly backups of the wiki and the bug trackers' files and data, where are the backups visible, and where is the procedure documented to restore it on a brand new server? I fear the answers are "no one" and "there isn't one, we'll figure it out when it's already too late". As examples of what is needed, here is my recovery document use for a joomla-based site: https://docs.google.com/document/d/177BC6aU7jsgxdU-g-IauKdhCjK48TZGxgqXN8tzkPM0/edit and here for a mediawiki-based site: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tMD3aK7UQXRL2E_GmINujvyZhoPh81ITlSo7GQ6t3v8/edit?usp=sharing eluaproject needs something similar *and* you need to have followed the procedure for real and to have duplicated the site from only the backups to be sure it works. Otherwise anyone writing in the wiki or using the bug tracker is wasting their time. M _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:20 AM, martinwguy <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 5 March 2013 12:48, Bogdan Marinescu <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Our wiki seems to be down, do we now what's the reason for that? > In fact we had a problem on our VM server. It is solved now and the services are ok now. We are trying to discover what happened to prevent this occur again. > Let me guess: the server caught fire and they don't have any backups, > the same as happened to the bug tracker? In fact, we have daily backup of everything. > > Next question: who makes weekly backups of the wiki and the bug > trackers' files and data, where are the backups visible, and where is It is a cron automated backup. > the procedure documented to restore it on a brand new server? I fear Its documented, but not public yet, because it includes our private backups procedures. We'll separate the eLua part and put it public soon. > the answers are "no one" and "there isn't one, we'll figure it out > when it's already too late". > Sorry to disappoint you. > As examples of what is needed, here is my recovery document use for a > joomla-based site: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/177BC6aU7jsgxdU-g-IauKdhCjK48TZGxgqXN8tzkPM0/edit > and here for a mediawiki-based site: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tMD3aK7UQXRL2E_GmINujvyZhoPh81ITlSo7GQ6t3v8/edit?usp=sharing > Great. > eluaproject needs something similar *and* you need to have followed > the procedure for real and to have duplicated the site from only the > backups to be sure it works. Otherwise anyone writing in the wiki or > using the bug tracker is wasting their time. Agreed. Anyway, in my opinion, eLua tracker and wiki should go to free public services like github issues which is more suitable for open source project. []s Mauricio > > M > _______________________________________________ > eLua-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
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On 5 March 2013 14:07, Mauricio Henrique Bomfim
<[hidden email]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:20 AM, martinwguy <[hidden email]> wrote: >> On 5 March 2013 12:48, Bogdan Marinescu <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Our wiki seems to be down, do we now what's the reason for that? >> Let me guess: the server caught fire and they don't have any backups, >> the same as happened to the bug tracker? > > In fact, we have daily backup of everything. > It is a cron automated backup. to a different machine, I presume, in a different building... >> the procedure documented to restore it on a brand new server? > Its documented, but not public yet, because it includes our private > backups procedures. We'll separate the eLua part and put it public > soon. Excellent. Have you tried it out? >> the answers are "no one" and "there isn't one, we'll figure it out >> when it's already too late". > > Sorry to disappoint you. Quite the opposite. I am glad to hear that the eLua issue tracker debacle has had some positive results! > Anyway, in my opinion, eLua tracker and wiki should go to free > public services like github issues which is more suitable for open > source project. I agree with you on this... but do ensure that the chosen service allows you to make a usable backup of your data, and that you can recover your site from that backup. Yes, it's less work to maintain, is probably more reliable day-to-day and costs less, but they can withdraw the service with no notice. Even being an enormous world-class site with many thousands of users doesn't seem to make a difference to this (e.g. yahoo geocities). Keeping this essential freedom is also necessary, in case you need to change service provider or decide to host it in-house again for some reason. Thanks for the informative reply. M _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:16 AM, martinwguy <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 5 March 2013 14:07, Mauricio Henrique Bomfim > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:20 AM, martinwguy <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> On 5 March 2013 12:48, Bogdan Marinescu <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> Our wiki seems to be down, do we now what's the reason for that? > >>> Let me guess: the server caught fire and they don't have any backups, >>> the same as happened to the bug tracker? >> >> In fact, we have daily backup of everything. >> It is a cron automated backup. > > to a different machine, I presume, in a different building... Yes and Yes. Furthermore, we have two distinct backups: files and databases and the whole virtual machine for fast recovery. The latter has 30 gigabytes and are done monthly. > >>> the procedure documented to restore it on a brand new server? > >> Its documented, but not public yet, because it includes our private >> backups procedures. We'll separate the eLua part and put it public >> soon. > > Excellent. Have you tried it out? Yes. > >>> the answers are "no one" and "there isn't one, we'll figure it out >>> when it's already too late". >> >> Sorry to disappoint you. > > Quite the opposite. I am glad to hear that the eLua issue tracker > debacle has had some positive results! > >> Anyway, in my opinion, eLua tracker and wiki should go to free >> public services like github issues which is more suitable for open >> source project. > > I agree with you on this... but do ensure that the chosen service > allows you to make a usable backup of your data, and that you can > recover your site from that backup. Yes, it's less work to maintain, > is probably more reliable day-to-day and costs less, but they can > withdraw the service with no notice. Even being an enormous > world-class site with many thousands of users doesn't seem to make a > difference to this (e.g. yahoo geocities). > Keeping this essential freedom is also necessary, in case you need to > change service provider or decide to host it in-house again for some > reason. > In case of github issues there is the project https://github.com/zauberlabs/github-issues-backup, that is intended to backup the issues. But, I haven't tried it yet. I don't know any alternative for hosting the MoinMoin Wiki. Maybe put it on heroku.com, as we did for the website. But this task is not so easy as for Refinery (the website CMS). []s Mauricio > Thanks for the informative reply. > > M > _______________________________________________ > eLua-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev _______________________________________________ eLua-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/elua-dev |
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